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<p>Created page with &quot;{{TTP2Document | file = TalosPrinciple2b | title = On the Universe | author = <a href="/wiki/Straton_of_Stageira" title="Straton of Stageira">Straton of Stageira</a> | loc = <a href="/wiki/UTHA" class="mw-redirect" title="UTHA">UTHA</a> }} A fragment from Straton&#039;s On the Universe: AMYNTAS: You have made quite the catalogue of horrors, Straton: children dying in their mothers&#039; arms, cities perishing by the plague, and even animals living without peace or happiness. NICOMACHUS: Why must we listen to this? You know I have just eaten a heavy dinner. STRATON: Because these things, which...&quot;</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>{{TTP2Document<br /> | file = TalosPrinciple2b<br /> | title = On the Universe<br /> | author = [[Straton of Stageira]]<br /> | loc = [[UTHA]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> A fragment from Straton&#039;s On the Universe:<br /> <br /> AMYNTAS: You have made quite the catalogue of horrors, Straton: children dying in their mothers&#039; arms, cities perishing by the plague, and even animals living without peace or happiness.<br /> <br /> NICOMACHUS: Why must we listen to this? You know I have just eaten a heavy dinner.<br /> <br /> STRATON: Because these things, which are ugly, must be confronted for us to reach the truth. You spoke of justice earlier, Amyntas, but are these things just?<br /> <br /> AMYNTAS: They are not.<br /> <br /> STRATON: Then you must admit the universe itself is not just. If the gods exist (34), then they do not bend the world to their will. Rather, the universe proceeds as a machine, following its rules. Justice and virtue are human inventions.<br /> <br /> AMYNTAS: Are you saying justice and virtue are therefore illusory and should be abandoned?<br /> <br /> STRATON: The opposite, my friend. It is mankind alone that can impose these values upon this machine.<br /> <br /> Footnotes<br /> <br /> 34. It remains unclear whether Straton believed in the gods or used them solely as metaphors. His work On the Deities is no longer extant. Tantalizingly, Diogenes Laertius mentions that it caused a fistfight in the Lyceum.<br /> <br /> {{Document Comments<br /> | author1 = Athena:<br /> | comment1 = I thought what made us human was that we searched for meaning, but perhaps a better way of thinking about it is that we create meaning.<br /> }}<br /> [[Category:TTP2 Documents]]<br /> [[Category:TTP2]]</div>

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